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thijsbeckers

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Read post 13-02-2012 15:51

Hi JJL,
The problem is the voltages. If your serial port uses TTL levels, it will be no problem. Otherwise (which is more likely) the voltages of the COM port are too high and will damage the microcontroller. If you want to use a 'standard' COM port, you should use a max232 (or similar) to protect the circuit from too high voltages. See also here and here. The latter also has a pinout for DB9-COM ports.

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Read post 10-03-2012 12:53

Hi everybody,

I successfully built the radiation meter and managed to reasonably shield the sensor diode. My only problem left is the following: when I connect it to my PC through the BOB and run the PC software I am able to see on the screen the radiation spectrum slowly forming. What I was not able to do is change the L threshold level: no matter which value I choose and button I push (level or eeprom)
L always stays at 10.
Any suggestion?

micro_pepe

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Read post 12-03-2012 00:23

I have the COM port set to 19200 baud, but I can not see anything on the chart, and I can not set the level. I noticed that in the lower left display, the second moving very slowly. Right? or, can it be that the error?

Thanks for your attention.

Post edited by micro_pepe on 12-03-2012 00:26

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Read post 13-03-2012 13:52

micro_pepeI have the COM port set to 19200 baud, but I can not see anything on the chart, and I can not set the level. I noticed that in the lower left display, the second moving very slowly. Right? or, can it be that the error?

Thanks for your attention.


Well, that was a problem with micro fuses.

Now I have the problem that is very sensitive, with a level of 100 is still very sensitive. How can you raise the level?

Thanks again.

thijsbeckers

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Read post 22-03-2012 08:57

alefbe... What I was not able to do is change the L threshold level: no matter which value I choose and button I push (level or eeprom). L always stays at 10.

Hi Alefbe,

Did you order a kit or did you program the controller yourself? If the latter, could it be a fuse setting?

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Read post 22-03-2012 09:11

micro_pepe...Now I have the problem that is very sensitive, with a level of 100 is still very sensitive. How can you raise the level?


In our software that is not possible. I would suggest you use a scope and check the output (K4). Does the signal look like noise or is it clipped? Clipping could be the result of a bad solder point or wrong resistor somewhere around the opamp.
What the threshold level does, is dampen signals below the set threshold, but if the amplification of your sensor board is too large, the noise will be rising over the threshold and trigger the counter. You really should end up with a threshold level between 10 and 50 or so. Or are you testing in a VERY radioactive environment?

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Read post 22-03-2012 16:31

Also, in steps:
- On the oscilloscope observe a noisy signal about 800mVpp.
- For the resistors, I have found that in the scheme and the list of materials, R5 and R7 are 10Khom in editing the journal in English, but Spanish version, R5 = 3K3 and R7 = 1K Could be such an error?
- On the other hand, my transistor is a BF245C, Should be a BF245B or A?
- Another issue is that when setting the level to 100 with the software, turning on the meter again, mark "L154"

Thanks for your attention. Greetings: Juanjo.

Post edited by micro_pepe on 23-03-2012 00:38

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Read post 23-03-2012 10:28

800 mVpp seems too much to me. My prototype only shows about 50 mVpp noise.
R5 and R7 should both be 10k. There were some last minute corrections in the schematic, that perhaps couldn't be entered anymore/magazine was already at the printer.
You should use a BF245B. As written in the article, the operating point is shifted when you use an A or C version.
I didn't notice the strange L154 indication yet, but I also didn't set the threshold to 100. I guess this will be ok when you have your hardware running properly.

Good luck and let us know if it works out!

alefbe

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Read post 23-03-2012 12:44

I ordered a full kit, I do not know how to program the ATmega88 on the board.
I do have some experience with programming the Arduino UNO board but I think that is a totally different environment.

By the way, just for fun, I connected the "probe" circuit to Arduino
and then adapted your program for Arduino and it works great and was also able to use the VB program as is to collect data on the PC.
However I still would like to use the original board with its nice display.

Elektor Editor

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Read post 25-03-2012 05:11

Kit of parts # 110538-71 should include a ready-programmed controller, so there is no need for programming.

Please send me details of your Arduino alternative, this might be worth publishing. I can be reached at the editorial email address
editor [at] elektor.com

Jan

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Read post 26-03-2012 09:01

Hi alefbe,

We haven't seen this problem before. Could you please check that your RX connection from BOB to processor board is working properly?

alefbe

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Read post 27-03-2012 14:11

Hi Jan,

I will send you details on how I connected the "probe" to Arduino.
I also plan to send you by e-mail a couple of pictures and screen captures. I am not at all an electronic expert (by the way I am a chemist!) but I have enough electronic knowledge to assemble a kit and understand the basics of how it works.

Teemo

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Read post 31-03-2012 00:59

Hi,
Is it possible to improve the meter to handheld version, so that test objects must not be inside the can with the meter?
I did built the radiation meter from the kit. It is very sensitive indeed and shielding is a challenge.
It should work if to drill small hole to the shielding and place sensor directly behind and then cover the hole with some material that lets the radiation pass but stop the light.

Anyone tested some filter materials already?

I propose we make some tests with: 1. thin black plastic that is used packing photographic film. 2. Mica painted with black paint.

Wiki says that some Geiger–Müller tubes are covered with mica and are still able to detect alfa radiation. So we sould at least be able to detect beta radiation through mica and paint.

But first I will get some radioactive samples to test with.

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Read post 02-04-2012 08:45

Hi Teemo,

Some nice ideas you have there. I haven't tried with mica or heard of anyone experimenting with it, so I would like to hear your results.

Like you said, it should work if you drill a small hole and place the sensor directly behind it.

Keep us informed!

Pierrot29

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Read post 03-04-2012 17:48

Hi everybody!

I am making this radiation meter too, in the source code, it display only the CPM number. I would like to know if someone know how to convert this value in Sievert/h. Thanks by advance.

alefbe

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Read post 04-04-2012 09:05

Yes I have checked the connection RX to BOB and it looks ok. By the way I bought two BOBs and set them for 5 V and 3.3 V respectively.
I tried them both with the radiation meter but I still could not change the L level.

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Read post 04-04-2012 09:33

Hi Alfbe,

Very strange indeed! Hold on, I will check with the author. I'll get back to you.

thijsbeckers

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Read post 04-04-2012 11:25

Hi alefbe,

Could you check (with an oscilloscope) whether data arrives at the PD0 pin (pin 2) of the µC when you press the 'Level' button? Only one byte is sent, so it will be very brief. If this is the case, I see no other option then to send you a new (checked) µC.
If you're not seeing any data coming through, you should check the signal route from the BOB to the PD0 pin.

Let me know if it works out.

micro_pepe

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Read post 04-04-2012 17:44

thijsbeckers800 mVpp seems too much to me. My prototype only shows about 50 mVpp noise.
R5 and R7 should both be 10k. There were some last minute corrections in the schematic, that perhaps couldn't be entered anymore/magazine was already at the printer.
You should use a BF245B. As written in the article, the operating point is shifted when you use an A or C version.
I didn't notice the strange L154 indication yet, but I also didn't set the threshold to 100. I guess this will be ok when you have your hardware running properly.

Good luck and let us know if it works out!


Well, I have 10K resistors and BF245B, and the results are good, with a level of 60 gives an average of 0.15 counts / min.

Thanks for everything.

thijsbeckers

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Read post 06-04-2012 09:25

micro_pepeWell, I have 10K resistors and BF245B, and the results are good, with a level of 60 gives an average of 0.15 counts / min.

Thanks for everything.


I'm glad it worked out. Sounds about right.

No problem.

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